PREVENT THE DEED, REGULATE THE BREED
I'd say that is pretty straight forward. The definition of prevent is to cause not to do something, to cause not to happen, or not to made or done. So this catch line lends itself to saving lives, not pit/bully lives, but children and the elderly, people. A noble cause in my book, preventing others from being victims of pit bulls and the bully breeds.
PUNISH THE DEED, NOT THE BREED
Again straight forward. The definition of punish is to prescribe a form of suffering in penalty for an "offense". The definition of offense is the act of attacking. This catch line says let someone get attacked or killed FIRST then punish the owner of the attacking dog. So those who use this catch line condone children, and people in general, being mauled or killed FIRST, and even then they don't want to blame the pit/bully. Oh no, so many comments on the daily stories of pit attacks blame the victims, infants even. What kind of people want to allow this suffering and death over that of a breed of dog?
One would hope these "pit nutters" would be the first to want change. They would be the first to want to stop the maulings and killings. But they aren't. They want to continue to feed the public misinformation so that the overabundance of pits can be shoved out the door to the ignorant. Save those pits is their battle cry. I say that the cost of saving the pits is not worth the cost of the failures.
Now enters "No Kill". It's bad enough that the pits in the shelters have no history to them but to adopt them out to less than the most experienced dog handlers is immoral. It must be stopped. People lives are at stake. The question should not be how to save the pits but rather how to save our children. That is the moral question that needs to be asked.
Sunday, May 10, 2009
Another Vet Speaks Out on No Kill Shelter
How much does it take to make people understand that animals suffer in no kill shelters? Not to say there are some that can manage no kill just fine but they are small closed door private shelters. They can pick and chose, thus controlling their population. This vet is being slammed because he is speaking out. Thus continues the saga of the Whino, intimidation is his speciality and he teaches his Whinonettes well.
I suggest you read the entire article but here are some outstanding quotes:
http://www.huntsvilleforester.com/article/135127
My involvement with this most recent situation with the shelter did not evolve from any kind of relationship with the town at all and it certainly has nothing to do with being naïve. Quite the contrary. It started because of multiple factors. First, our doctors had dealt with three cases of Feline Infectious Peritonitis (FIP) in a period of only three weeks last fall. Caring members of our community had adopted all three kittens from the shelter as “healthy” kittens into different homes.
Within very short periods of time they were at our hospital seeking help and being informed of the impending death of their new companions, as there is no cure. Why is this relevant? We typically see one case of FIP, at most, per year. Phone calls to other community veterinary clinics strongly suggested a potential outbreak of the virus.
Second, we had an inordinate number of clients coming in expressing disdain for the conditions and apparent care of the animals at our local shelter, most of whom turned to adopting from the OSPCA in Bracebridge. Most of these complaints and adoptions were in regard to the cats and kittens at the shelter, not the dogs. All of these clients were encouraged to speak directly with the shelter about their concerns. Most expressed they had already done so and felt like their words fell on deaf ears. Not an unexpected or new concern.
Third, I had a client express that they had launched a formal complaint with the Ontario Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals (OSPCA) inspection agency already, based on their impression during a recent visit.
Why do animals coming from the shelter continue to have such poor medical records accompanying them after adoption, with improper, incomplete or inappropriate vaccination and medical schedules associated with them? Why are huge amounts of funds used on individual animals, especially those with life-limiting, chronic and painful conditions? Why does the shelter continue to dismiss the fact they need to operate from a population medicine perspective? Why does the shelter shirk its responsibility as an integral component of the community when it comes to the pet overpopulation and transmissible disease issues? Why are there cats living in the shelter for many months or years at a time? What kind of life is that?
What kind of life indeed. Adopting FIV and FIP cats only spreads the disease. Sometimes I wonder if this movement is actually a genocide in disguise. Let's make the cats sick by using a fatal disease and the pits will bring bans on dogs. Something ain't right here.
I suggest you read the entire article but here are some outstanding quotes:
http://www.huntsvilleforester.com/article/135127
My involvement with this most recent situation with the shelter did not evolve from any kind of relationship with the town at all and it certainly has nothing to do with being naïve. Quite the contrary. It started because of multiple factors. First, our doctors had dealt with three cases of Feline Infectious Peritonitis (FIP) in a period of only three weeks last fall. Caring members of our community had adopted all three kittens from the shelter as “healthy” kittens into different homes.
Within very short periods of time they were at our hospital seeking help and being informed of the impending death of their new companions, as there is no cure. Why is this relevant? We typically see one case of FIP, at most, per year. Phone calls to other community veterinary clinics strongly suggested a potential outbreak of the virus.
Second, we had an inordinate number of clients coming in expressing disdain for the conditions and apparent care of the animals at our local shelter, most of whom turned to adopting from the OSPCA in Bracebridge. Most of these complaints and adoptions were in regard to the cats and kittens at the shelter, not the dogs. All of these clients were encouraged to speak directly with the shelter about their concerns. Most expressed they had already done so and felt like their words fell on deaf ears. Not an unexpected or new concern.
Third, I had a client express that they had launched a formal complaint with the Ontario Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals (OSPCA) inspection agency already, based on their impression during a recent visit.
Why do animals coming from the shelter continue to have such poor medical records accompanying them after adoption, with improper, incomplete or inappropriate vaccination and medical schedules associated with them? Why are huge amounts of funds used on individual animals, especially those with life-limiting, chronic and painful conditions? Why does the shelter continue to dismiss the fact they need to operate from a population medicine perspective? Why does the shelter shirk its responsibility as an integral component of the community when it comes to the pet overpopulation and transmissible disease issues? Why are there cats living in the shelter for many months or years at a time? What kind of life is that?
What kind of life indeed. Adopting FIV and FIP cats only spreads the disease. Sometimes I wonder if this movement is actually a genocide in disguise. Let's make the cats sick by using a fatal disease and the pits will bring bans on dogs. Something ain't right here.
Wednesday, May 6, 2009
A Thought About Pits
Why is it that we always say: "He's like a pit bull that won't let go when he gets a grip" ?
And think of when we say that and in regards to what kind of behavior.
I don't think I have ever heard: "He's like a poodle that won't let go when he gets a grip."
Whenever one wants to make a point about something that just won't let go, they use the pit as an example. And in the next breath, tell us that they are nanny dogs.
Old wives tale?
And think of when we say that and in regards to what kind of behavior.
I don't think I have ever heard: "He's like a poodle that won't let go when he gets a grip."
Whenever one wants to make a point about something that just won't let go, they use the pit as an example. And in the next breath, tell us that they are nanny dogs.
Old wives tale?
Tuesday, May 5, 2009
NO KILL CONFERENCE - 2 OR 3 OR WHATEVER
Hi there this is Kristie Ceith and I have just returned from the conference. I am still suffering, however, from my head up my ass but I'll contribute that to jet lag. But I can say that I am still just as stupid and ignorant as ever, not to mention I am still a breeder.
I can still hear the ringing in my ears from all the whining. And Bonney Brown announced that she will be leaving Reno to become a photographer. Then she plans to write a book of names for shelters to use.
What's in a name anyway? At the No Kill shelters, since they turn away desperate owners, dogs are then dumped on the shelter, left at the door step, tied to the building, and no one leaves a name. Just because it has been a beloved pet for years and using the name it knows would help relieve the stress in the shelter, doesn't mean that the shelter can't give it a new name.
And all those overworked shelter workers will be glad to take all day to make a wonderful photo of one dog and take hours pouring over a list of names for one that is appropriate. And if the new owner doesn't like the shelter name, then they can change it and confuse the dog all over.
Hell, I think that shelters should name all the dogs after me. Gotta go now, busy breeding my dogs so I can give my tithe to my Messiah.
I can still hear the ringing in my ears from all the whining. And Bonney Brown announced that she will be leaving Reno to become a photographer. Then she plans to write a book of names for shelters to use.
What's in a name anyway? At the No Kill shelters, since they turn away desperate owners, dogs are then dumped on the shelter, left at the door step, tied to the building, and no one leaves a name. Just because it has been a beloved pet for years and using the name it knows would help relieve the stress in the shelter, doesn't mean that the shelter can't give it a new name.
And all those overworked shelter workers will be glad to take all day to make a wonderful photo of one dog and take hours pouring over a list of names for one that is appropriate. And if the new owner doesn't like the shelter name, then they can change it and confuse the dog all over.
Hell, I think that shelters should name all the dogs after me. Gotta go now, busy breeding my dogs so I can give my tithe to my Messiah.
Just A Thought
People often ask me why I go to such extremes to get just one cat or dog altered. Those extremes referred to are for a future post maybe.
My response always is that I don't see one dog or one cat, I see all the other dogs and cats they can reproduce. I never help just one dog or cat when I get it altered, I save the lives of all those that would come if I didn't help.
I apply this to people as well, not the altering, but seeing beyond the "one". To win one person to your "side" of an issue means more than that. One tells another, then another, then another. So to win this war, we must see beyond the one. We must see the one's friends, relatives, co-workers, and remember that if we piss off one, we piss off all those others. If we win one, then we win the war. Granted there are those out there where it really doesn't matter if you piss them off because they are such low life, their relatives are low life, their friends are low life and they would offer nothing to help win the war and in fact, can harm. Those who are seeking, not quite right, not quite wrong, are the ones I want to affect.
I love the passion of one of my commenters. Passion is a wonderful thing and I support it. This commenter has supplied me with great tools and I want to assure this commenter that I have used those tools as requested. But passion has to be controlled in order to be usable. Stay passionate and continue to feed me, I'm always hungry for your comments.
My response always is that I don't see one dog or one cat, I see all the other dogs and cats they can reproduce. I never help just one dog or cat when I get it altered, I save the lives of all those that would come if I didn't help.
I apply this to people as well, not the altering, but seeing beyond the "one". To win one person to your "side" of an issue means more than that. One tells another, then another, then another. So to win this war, we must see beyond the one. We must see the one's friends, relatives, co-workers, and remember that if we piss off one, we piss off all those others. If we win one, then we win the war. Granted there are those out there where it really doesn't matter if you piss them off because they are such low life, their relatives are low life, their friends are low life and they would offer nothing to help win the war and in fact, can harm. Those who are seeking, not quite right, not quite wrong, are the ones I want to affect.
I love the passion of one of my commenters. Passion is a wonderful thing and I support it. This commenter has supplied me with great tools and I want to assure this commenter that I have used those tools as requested. But passion has to be controlled in order to be usable. Stay passionate and continue to feed me, I'm always hungry for your comments.
Sunday, May 3, 2009
If You Don't Understand This, You Must Own a Pit Bull
I had to post this. This was such an outstanding piece of writing concerning pit bulls. Dogsbite.org is the most illerate website I have seen outside of the big boys such as HSUS. Watching daily I am still shocked as to how many serious attacks these dogs deliver. And the American public never ceases to amaze me with their stupidity about these dogs. I'm also including the comments to this piece because they are a hoot.
In response to the recent mauling of mailman Jeff Glen, a DogsBite.org commenter has left a beautifully articulated response. Commenter Doug draws on the parallel example of the equine world to discuss the genetic heritage of pit bulls. Both animals underwent performance selection over many years to produce an unmatched breed: the ultimate canine warrior and the fastest horse on earth. Neither animal was selected on the basis of "human friendliness."
Pit Bulls Were Selected to "Win"
"In the beginning, human aggressive dogs were slaughtered or abandoned, they didn't develop within the fold of domesticates. Human friendliness was a necessary trait for all dogs, regardless of type. This wasn’t hard because early canines were pack animals, they had to work and get along with others. Humans were a simple adaptation for this social trait; broadening the definition of a pack member or leader was not a colossal leap.
Pit bulls never benefited from special selection for human friendliness; this potential characteristic already existed and was passed to them from their genetic predecessors. The only feature of their character that needed to be maintained was a modicum of pack loyalty and subservience to a pack leader (owner/handler.)
The myth of any special human friendliness by pit bulls is merely that – a myth. As in all animals bred and developed for competition, many faults are acceptable… so long as they can win. Winning is job one.
A parallel example of performance selection exists in the equine world. Anybody familiar with the race world knows that Thoroughbred horses rule the track. There is no other breed in contention beyond 2 furlongs. So you would think, if you subscribe to the so called “logic” within the mythology put forth by pit bull advocates, Thoroughbred horses must be the most tractable, gentle saddle horses ever created. After all, their purpose is to carry a rider; they don’t run these races by themselves! And Thoroughbreds have been in development for over 300 years – surely they are the most rider friendly of all horse breeds, aren’t they?
No one in the horse world would ever make such a claim about Thoroughbreds! The original stallions from the Mediterranean and Middle East were crossed with native horses to make them more manageable, but speed under saddle was and continues to be paramount. Many character faults are forgiven, so long as the horse can run!
And so it is in the TRUE history of pit bulls. Winning pit bulls that could be managed, even marginally, were always – ALWAYS – bred. No dogfighters ever forsake a winning lineage because of manageable human aggression. A winning pit dog need not be a family dog, anymore than a Thoroughbred needs the gentleness and versatility required for Junior 4-H horse shows.
The pit bull advocates have attempted to rewrite the history of pit dog selection. Their version is a fairy tale – a complete lie. Pit dogs were selected for strength, stamina, and aggression. If they happened to be tractable for their handlers, it was a fortunate happenstance carried over from their predecessor canines – definitely NOT a primary consideration in the development of winning pit dogs.
This pit advocate lie is a failed absurdity. The frequency and severity of attacks on humans make the truth self evident, regardless of how many times the lie is repeated."
Anonymous said...
I would also say that the idea that pit bull breeders "cull" so their dogs can be "handled" by humans is also a fabrication, in the sense that these dogs are not "handled" in any way recognized as dog handling by society.
Pit bull fighting dogs are more like livestock. They live their lives on a chain or in a small pen or cage, separated from humans and each other, primarily brought out to throw in a ring to fight or to breed perhaps, but not "handled" to an appreciable degree by humans
And I also saw something in the comments for that news article that was ridiculous. Someone commented that the pit bulls must have been "abused" to get them to fight. Abused? It is in these dogs' very DNA to fight and kill. If anything, it takes "abuse" to get them to STOP fighting, as in DEATH.
Anonymous said...
No No! The poster has it all wrong!
Pit Bulls are magic dogs!
Bred via the fighting pits killing bull, bears and other dogs, yet good with kids!
Easily identifiable when being sold or pit bull subsidies are being handed out, but impossible to identify after a mauling!
Great at weight pulling which has nothing to do with chain breaking, fence busting and leash snapping capability!
One of the smartest breeds, but never used for complex herding, retrieiving and bonfide service dog jobs like sight assistance!
Not human aggressive but used by drug dealers for guarding drug houses!
Owned and bred by "Dog Lovers" who see nothing immoral with the desired breed standard of explosive dog aggression!
The same as every other dog except for requiring a breakstick!
They're Magic!!!
In response to the recent mauling of mailman Jeff Glen, a DogsBite.org commenter has left a beautifully articulated response. Commenter Doug draws on the parallel example of the equine world to discuss the genetic heritage of pit bulls. Both animals underwent performance selection over many years to produce an unmatched breed: the ultimate canine warrior and the fastest horse on earth. Neither animal was selected on the basis of "human friendliness."
Pit Bulls Were Selected to "Win"
"In the beginning, human aggressive dogs were slaughtered or abandoned, they didn't develop within the fold of domesticates. Human friendliness was a necessary trait for all dogs, regardless of type. This wasn’t hard because early canines were pack animals, they had to work and get along with others. Humans were a simple adaptation for this social trait; broadening the definition of a pack member or leader was not a colossal leap.
Pit bulls never benefited from special selection for human friendliness; this potential characteristic already existed and was passed to them from their genetic predecessors. The only feature of their character that needed to be maintained was a modicum of pack loyalty and subservience to a pack leader (owner/handler.)
The myth of any special human friendliness by pit bulls is merely that – a myth. As in all animals bred and developed for competition, many faults are acceptable… so long as they can win. Winning is job one.
A parallel example of performance selection exists in the equine world. Anybody familiar with the race world knows that Thoroughbred horses rule the track. There is no other breed in contention beyond 2 furlongs. So you would think, if you subscribe to the so called “logic” within the mythology put forth by pit bull advocates, Thoroughbred horses must be the most tractable, gentle saddle horses ever created. After all, their purpose is to carry a rider; they don’t run these races by themselves! And Thoroughbreds have been in development for over 300 years – surely they are the most rider friendly of all horse breeds, aren’t they?
No one in the horse world would ever make such a claim about Thoroughbreds! The original stallions from the Mediterranean and Middle East were crossed with native horses to make them more manageable, but speed under saddle was and continues to be paramount. Many character faults are forgiven, so long as the horse can run!
And so it is in the TRUE history of pit bulls. Winning pit bulls that could be managed, even marginally, were always – ALWAYS – bred. No dogfighters ever forsake a winning lineage because of manageable human aggression. A winning pit dog need not be a family dog, anymore than a Thoroughbred needs the gentleness and versatility required for Junior 4-H horse shows.
The pit bull advocates have attempted to rewrite the history of pit dog selection. Their version is a fairy tale – a complete lie. Pit dogs were selected for strength, stamina, and aggression. If they happened to be tractable for their handlers, it was a fortunate happenstance carried over from their predecessor canines – definitely NOT a primary consideration in the development of winning pit dogs.
This pit advocate lie is a failed absurdity. The frequency and severity of attacks on humans make the truth self evident, regardless of how many times the lie is repeated."
Anonymous said...
I would also say that the idea that pit bull breeders "cull" so their dogs can be "handled" by humans is also a fabrication, in the sense that these dogs are not "handled" in any way recognized as dog handling by society.
Pit bull fighting dogs are more like livestock. They live their lives on a chain or in a small pen or cage, separated from humans and each other, primarily brought out to throw in a ring to fight or to breed perhaps, but not "handled" to an appreciable degree by humans
And I also saw something in the comments for that news article that was ridiculous. Someone commented that the pit bulls must have been "abused" to get them to fight. Abused? It is in these dogs' very DNA to fight and kill. If anything, it takes "abuse" to get them to STOP fighting, as in DEATH.
Anonymous said...
No No! The poster has it all wrong!
Pit Bulls are magic dogs!
Bred via the fighting pits killing bull, bears and other dogs, yet good with kids!
Easily identifiable when being sold or pit bull subsidies are being handed out, but impossible to identify after a mauling!
Great at weight pulling which has nothing to do with chain breaking, fence busting and leash snapping capability!
One of the smartest breeds, but never used for complex herding, retrieiving and bonfide service dog jobs like sight assistance!
Not human aggressive but used by drug dealers for guarding drug houses!
Owned and bred by "Dog Lovers" who see nothing immoral with the desired breed standard of explosive dog aggression!
The same as every other dog except for requiring a breakstick!
They're Magic!!!
Saturday, May 2, 2009
NO KILL CONFERENCE
This is Kristie Ceith reporting from Washington DC on the No Kill Conference.
Yes, folks this is a great day for all of us who have chosen to follow the Messiah of "No Kill". We had a difficult time getting here because we are all so blind, but we did make it. We were greeted by a huge cross, the one that our Messiah hangs on. Of course, we all fell to our knees in awe.
Just went to the "If they won't hire me, then I will sue" seminar lead by the Messiah himself. He still swears that the lawsuit in LA was a good thing when it is well known that he didn't get what he wanted at all. I'm glad he didn't get the job because that way he can spend more time leading his blind congregation.
Also this afternoon I will be attending the "How to lie about how many animals are in the shelter" seminar. This is the mainstay of the NKE movement.
And tomorrow I will be going to learn how to overcome opposition to NKE with name calling such as "animal murderers" and "killing" shelters. This is the only way to stop people from coming to the open door shelters and supporting euthanasia. Who cares that they are going to adopt? We don't want them to adopt because it would make the shelters look good. Our mission is to make the shelters look bad so our Messiah can make a living. We have to make sure he makes money so he can continue his work.
Then I will be returning home where I will be mating some of my dogs. Breeding is a wonderful thing and now with NKE, it is being given the credibility it was losing before NKE. I plan to make a donation to my Messiah from the sale of the puppies.
So let's all go home and file lawsuits against our local shelters. It's not my problem that the economy is bad and shelters can ill afford to spend their money defending lawsuits. If the animals in the sued shelters suffer, it is for a good cause.
Yes, folks this is a great day for all of us who have chosen to follow the Messiah of "No Kill". We had a difficult time getting here because we are all so blind, but we did make it. We were greeted by a huge cross, the one that our Messiah hangs on. Of course, we all fell to our knees in awe.
Just went to the "If they won't hire me, then I will sue" seminar lead by the Messiah himself. He still swears that the lawsuit in LA was a good thing when it is well known that he didn't get what he wanted at all. I'm glad he didn't get the job because that way he can spend more time leading his blind congregation.
Also this afternoon I will be attending the "How to lie about how many animals are in the shelter" seminar. This is the mainstay of the NKE movement.
And tomorrow I will be going to learn how to overcome opposition to NKE with name calling such as "animal murderers" and "killing" shelters. This is the only way to stop people from coming to the open door shelters and supporting euthanasia. Who cares that they are going to adopt? We don't want them to adopt because it would make the shelters look good. Our mission is to make the shelters look bad so our Messiah can make a living. We have to make sure he makes money so he can continue his work.
Then I will be returning home where I will be mating some of my dogs. Breeding is a wonderful thing and now with NKE, it is being given the credibility it was losing before NKE. I plan to make a donation to my Messiah from the sale of the puppies.
So let's all go home and file lawsuits against our local shelters. It's not my problem that the economy is bad and shelters can ill afford to spend their money defending lawsuits. If the animals in the sued shelters suffer, it is for a good cause.
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