""Honesty Helps, would you be so kind as to post this. This is Pat Dunaway and I am answering Winograd's charges. First of all, I have no children because I have a medical condition that prohibits me from having any without dying during child birth. So his accusations that I am a child abuser is just another of his lies. And second, if anyone wants to run a search of court records in San Bernardino ( http://www.sbcounty.gov/courts/index.asp case information online) they will see that there is nothing, nothing relating to child abuse or animal abuse. Winograd has not once posted any links other than an anonymous letter written by one of two people, one of which is a drunk who was convicted as a multiple offender and spent time in prison for it and the other is a kook that you have blogged about who is now a hoarder, Vikki Shore.
Algae covered bowls? This is taken from a kennel that was down for repair and no dogs were allowed to be housed in that kennel. One of the reasons for the repairs was the fact that the bowl was broken. Otherwise the water runs into the bowl automatically as the water level drops. Again Winograd distorting the truth for his own agenda. I never have worked with a shelter as he states, I was the one they didn't want to see if they were doing anything wrong. Anyone in animal control will tell you that I have no friends when it comes to pointing out cruelty, they know I would be the first one on their backs if they were doing something wrong.
Winograd mentions a burned dog returned to it's owner. Animal control had no choice, it was owned by someone who WAS NOT the abuser and the law demanded the dog be returned. Vikki Shore reported that Brian Cronin returned the dog when Cronin was still in training for his position and had nothing to do with it. I learned of the dog two weeks after the incident and questioned why it had been returned. Animal control had no choice since the owner demanded the return. The abuser was the son of the owner and he was in jail at the time. Since the abuser was no longer in the house, the only choice was to return the dog to the father. However, when the father bailed his son out and the son did return to the home, Animal Control immediately responded and took the dog away. Vikki Shore tries to take credit for this but she had nothing to do with the decision.
I was instrumental in developing a national award winning spay/neuter program. I was the inspiration for making cockfighting a felony in California and given credit for this by the late Senator Nell Soto in a Press Enterprise article. I helped low income senior citizens with their medical vet bills, donating as much as a $1000 in order to save their pet. I also provided financial aid to low income people to get their animals spay/neutered. I have never condoned cruelty in a shelter but I do know where he gets this from, Vikki Shore. Vikki lies about an incident at the Devore Shelter in San Bernardino. An incident that was investigated by three different sources with one conclusion, a set up. But it had good results in that it allowed the shelter to receive over $350,000 to install security including cameras so people like Vikki could no longer make false claims. And it has worked, nothing since the cameras were made known.
Winograd has not once offered any proof of cruelty that I have supported. I faced off with him in Rancho Cucamonga, a shelter that had an 86% live release rate for dogs prior to installing his program. Now it is less than that. Every charge that was made against that shelter was proven wrong and is in the public records for Rancho. Winograd is a liar, plain and simple. Brent Toellner is a brown noser who can't get get enough of Winograd's sorry ass.
I have worked for over 50 years trying to stop euthanasia in shelters for time and space and how dare this wimp of a man come along and try to destroy that. He supported Philly when it was torturing animals and he supports others who are doing the same. He is the fiend to animals, not me. A chubby cheek, fat, short dick of a man who shows me that he cares nothing for animals, only for his personal agenda. In fact, I think he gets off just knowing the damage he does. I'm still out there, Winograd, working against you. I've had success in stopping you only you are too stupid to know it. To Winograd and Toellner, fuck you!""
Wow, I guess that said it all. I also have posted about Pat before. She is a victim of this malicious man, just like the animals in Philly, Indy, Rancho and others. I invite Ardena Perry to state her story on this blog too. All that I could find on her is that she is considered a valuable community member, shelter volunteer, and has been appointed to several commissions in Washoe County. Doesn't exactly fit the description that the Whino is giving.
Pat, I feel the same way, FUCK YOU WINOGRAD AND TOELLNER. The day has arrived that your lies are coming undone and you are running scared. No body likes you two so why not run away together to the wilds of Canada and get the hell outta civilized society.
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Thanks Honesty for posting this about Pat. I know her personally and she is a role model for all who care about animals. Winograd is lying about a person who eats, sleeps, drinks, helping animals everyday.
God, I went to the blog, what a nasty little piece of nothingness he is. I don't know the players, but I read several posts back and he seems to have a thing against women. Newkirk,Manusco,Perry, Ruland, Dunaway, Knutson all girls. Maybe he doesn't like girls? Wives can be a nice cover. There was one male reporter Malisow that torqued him off, but mainly women.Oh, Elizabeth White who wrote an article back east. I am pleased for the animals that these people stand up. The blog links on your site are both by men, I notice he doesn't tackle them. I enjoy the Chaplain, he tells it like it is. The Petpac Parody is great, reminds me of an old school mate Cody. Keep up the good work and thanks for posting the letter from Dunaway. I hope some of the others find you and write in as well.
If he had the courage to take comments he may have the right to call others cowards. I guess he knows what the comments would be, so who is the real coward here.
I think there is a point to his attacking women. Course he attacks Sayers and Pacelle too but maybe that's because they rejected him too. I see him as a miserable kid who couldn't get a date and the boys called him a sissy. And yeah, a wife could be a cover, wouldn't be the first time. What woman would see anything in him except one that doesn't like sex except to make kids and ignores him otherwise.
I do hope Perry defends herself on this blog.
And I'm not familiar with Elizabeth White, can you send a link?
I've said the same thing, he is too much of a coward to allow comments on his blog. He knows we would be able to ream him a new one and that would make Brent happy, two assholes to stick his nose up.
His NOSE up their a** ?
http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2007-08-12-no-kill-shelters_N.htm
Isn't USAToday part of the Gannett media group? I'm surprised they printed this considering they like to drink the Whino's koolaid.
Yep, but it was 2007 before all their balls fell off.
This is an organized Breeder/Puppy Mill/AKC attack on those who have exposed Winograd and his AKC friends and exposed the AKC/Rick Berman/Winograd support of pet abuse and financial interests hiding behind this No Kill fraud.
If you have noticed, the Puppy Mill AKC lobbyist and breeder Christie Keith who pretends to be a "reporter" is attacking and threatening people on behalf of Winograd. She is trying to promote Winograd wildly with the usual lies and coverup along with fellow breeder and business partner Gina Spadafori because Winograd's ship is sinking, and they thought Winograd would help them protect things like the AKC puppy mill industry that butters their bread.
Winograd has failed so obviously, has been caught in so many lies, and caused so much animal suffering (and is involved with the animal abuse industry through Rick Berman, PetPac etc.) it can't be hidden anymore, but the breeding industry is trying vainly to resurrect the Winograd no kill scam and try to hide the truth with more fake public relations trash.
An important issue that Maddie's Fund needs to be aware of is that this fraud Christie Keith, a lobbyist for the AKC to support their animal abuse industry in the name of profit, is doing "freelance writing" for them.
Clearly Mr. Avanzino does not understand how the Pet Profiteers and the puppy mills, dog fighters, pet stores, and the rest are trying to use Maddie's Fund for their $$$ interests through these fake "reporters" and "writers" that are no more than commercial lobbyists.
"Isn't USAToday part of the Gannett media group? I'm surprised they printed this considering they like to drink the Whino's koolaid."
It's not Winograd that some "reporters" at Gannett are supporting.
Winograd is just a puppet for the breeding industry.
The "reporters" at Gannett that seem to support Winograd are just lobbying for the AKC, AKC connected NAIA, Rick Berman, the puppy mill lobby, the dog fighting and the other profiteers that they have some personal relationships with.
Winograd is a patsy used by the breeding industry to try to hide the FINANCIAL, COMMERCIAL interests of the breeding industry masquerading as "caring about animals."
They don't care. They just want to oppose regulation and make more money. Winograd is used to do that and pretend to be part of the "humane" world. It's a trick.
People like Patti Strand have some contacts at Gannett that they have used in the past to publish breeder propaganda, except that the world has gotten a lot savvier about what people like AKC breeder Patti Strand are up to.
http://www
.sourcewatch.
org/index.php?
title=Patti_
Strand
So they now use Winograd as a front man and to hide the breeder interests.
But now everyone knows that Winograd is working with these same breeding industry lobbyists.
The breeder industry hoped that Nathan Winograd would take over Maddies Fund and use the money to fund breeder lobbying and propaganda and promotion for their puppy mills and abuse for profit.
The breeder industry thought they had conned the Maddie's Fund people with the Winograd scam.
Part of the reason for these terrorizing attacks on whistleblowers is that the Winograd failures are being made public because the animal suffering is terrible, the public danger is enormous.
Chicago Animal Control and Winogradite Cherie Travis.
Look at the suffering in the name of Winograd No Kill. It's worse than ever before in Chicago.
Travis is also releasing known aggressive dogs. Refusing to pick up strays. Letting hurt animals and diseased animals linger and suffer. WAREHOUSING.
It's EVERYTHING that has happened anywhere Winograd inserts his people.
http://www.
chicagonow.
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steve-dale-
pet-world/2010
/09/employee-
of-animal-
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-this-full.
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More on Cherie Travis and Chicago Animal Control. As in King County and other places Winograd infiltrated with his associates.
They harass and threaten people and slur them, and get them to leave or fire them so Winograd friends can take over.
"She has called staff lazy, incompetent, stupid, not knowing their jobs. I have been in meetings where she screams these things at her subordinates. How can you expect staff to work for you when you fail to respect them? In one case, she went to the home of an employee who was sick, entered his house without permission, and proceeded to scream obscenities at him while he laid sick in his bed. The employee is currently suing the city over this, and it is under "investigation". She treats her staff like trash...causing quite a few to either go on medical leave due to the stress, or quit outright. She then brings her friends in, as she was overheard saying "My friends need jobs too."
The information about Terry Holdt, Winograd's father-in-law who supports him, on the Petpac blog is not surprising, is it.
The Holdts have lived in San Juan Capistrano for many years. Sharon Holdt, Winograd's mother-in-law, is president of the League of Women Voters of Orange County.
http://www.
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I wonder how she feels about her son-in-law Nathan harrassing and slurring women?
Apparently Nathan Winograd thinks that women should be not heard and not seen, and treated like trash and do what men like Nathan tell them to do.
And if women speak the truth, then it is ok for Nathan to bash them and lie about them and call them names, and encourage abusive treatment of these women by his vile friends.
How is Sharon with that?
Isn't is funny how stalkers always try to claim they are the victims?
A woman has the courage to stand up to a man who is doing wrong, just lie about her and call her something vile? Right Nathan? Put it on a blog that doesn't allow comments to send out to the gamedog men to put up links to, the gamedog men who have criminal records.
How does the League of Women Voters feel about that?
http://www.nj.com/hudson/index.ssf/2010/09/jersey_city_animal_shelter_fil.html
more of winograd's no kill kooky followers are being sued for threats and harassment on the east coast.
Craven, I have the feeling that this will become a wave of the future. It's long overdue. Look at King County, they should have filed a suit. There is still the issue in King about a lawsuit filed for emails and those emails are being reviewed now.
I predict there will be others before long. We are fed up with the Whino and he should not be allowed to slander people the way he is doing. I guess his sorry mother never explained to him that you catch more flies with honey than with vinegar.
Anon, thanks for the link to the Chicago story, must have missed that one, been so caught up in stopping LA from raising household limits because of Bitch Barnette that I am behind.
That story you sent will be used in LA as part of a package against BB. I've said it before and I will say it again, I have the best readers anyone could ask for. I learn much more from you guys than I could possibly learn without you.
Unbelievable what Winograd is saying about Pat Dunaway. I am a long time volunteer at the shelter where she is well known. And I can assure you that if things were wrong there like Winograd states, Pat would be the first one to complain. But she does so with respect and the employees/volunteers respect her for it. I've seen her take on these rescues who walk in the shelter with an attitude and put them in their place. If that is defending the shelter then it needs to be done because the disrespect shown by some of these so called rescues only affect moral and low moral can hurt the animals in the shelter. It leads to employees taking sick leave, leaving the shelter understaffed.
And yes, we know all about Vikki Shore too. She is a hateful, spiteful bitch, the type to go home and kick the dog. We've been made aware of her hoarding but can't stop her from taking animals from the shelter. She refuses to cooperate about submitting altering records for those animals whereas all the other rescues do it gladly. From what we hear she took animals to the infamous hoarder Cindy Bemis for them to live in horrid conditions. If this is what Winograd is all about, these types of followers, then he needs to clean his own house first.
Thank you Volunteer, appreciate the kind words. Yes, I would be the first one to jump on their backs if and when I see something wrong.
The City of San Bernardino found that out the hard way. There was a cruelty case were the public donated over $10,000 for three pit bull puppies. I helped to pull these puppies from this cruelty case out of the shelter and they were within a week of dying according to the vet. These puppies were in the shelter for three months. The vet was appalled at their condition and they remained with the vet for a month. Myself and two other ladies filed a claim with the city because the vet was unable to get any medical records from what was supposed to be the attending vet, there were no records showing treatment for these puppies although $10,000 had been donated for their treatment. There were newspaper articles, etc. on all of this. Because of a corrupt City Attorney, the claim was pushed aside. We hired a civil rights attorney but before he could do anything, his license was pulled.
The puppies did receive necessary treatment and recovered. Two of them found lovely homes and one of the ladies kept one of them. Poor puppy had deformed legs as a result of the lack of nutition but has a very good life.
Does this sound like Winograd's description of my supporting a shelter even in cruelty? Not quite. I went all the way to show this cruelty. The director was put on administrative leave and resigned. Not quite what Winograd wants you to believe about me. I do not tolerate cruelty and I do not have any friends when it comes to filling charges, etc. when it comes to cruelty.
Cynthia Bathurst of something called Safe Humane Chicago is involved with the pit bull promotion and propaganda campaign for pit bulls with Jane Berkey.
http://network.
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/postdetail
.aspx?np=
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Is Bathurst connected to this Cheri Travis in Chicago, therefore involving Berkey agenda in helping pits get out of tickets and placing aggressive dogs?
If you notice in that article the comment about "money making the world go round."
Yes, it does, and victims need to deal with the Animal Farm consumer fraud.
Anon, you must be reading my mind. I am working on a post about Chicago now. Also Oprah has interviewed Cherie Travis about this situation in Chicago and I wrote a hot email to the Oprah show today and suggest that you do the same. Oprah already pisses me off with her contributions to a "no kill" shelter rather than to an open door shelter.
I don't think any of these personal attacks work it only escalates and redirects the attention off of the animals. As for comment moderation that is akin to censorship. Why blog if all you want to hear is the same thing again and again. One has to be willing to learn and change to what works. Not being willing to look at what works or does not work gets the animals no where. It just puts the attention on the human being.
Anon, I'm not quite sure what you mean here. But why don't you go to the Whino's site and make the same comment? Oops, he doesn't allow comments, does he? I put every comment on this blog whether I agree with it or not. Only when a commenter runs something into the ground with saying the same over and over will I eventually stop that particular commenter. I think I have done it twice.
Comment moderation is essential if your blog gets a lot of hits. Mine does, and I don't want loose cannons on there. Not to be rude, but the anonymous commenter sounds a bit like an anarchist.I am wary of cowards who do the ultimate censorship, which is " comments closed" I may not agree with what a commenter says, but I respect their right to say it, with respect of course.
I agree with you Anon, it takes a coward to not allow comments. I get hateful comments often and I responded the same. My motto is you get what you give in life and someone wants to give me shit, I give it right back. I don't play footsy with anyone.
As for personal attacks hurting the animals, I don't believe that in the way the commenter meant it. The Whino earns his personal attacks, Pat Dunaway didn't. The Whino does nothing these days other than personal attacks. His seminars are full of personal attacks. http://www.indybay.org/newsitems/2010/04/14/18644737.php
I don't pull punches on this blog. You can come on it and comment but you better be sure you know what you are talking about before you do. As I have said before, this is not a nice subject and I'm not gonna be nice about it.
It's the HUMAN BEINGS in No Kill killing and torturing these animals. Winograd and the the Winograd Enablement Squad are first in line. That is VERY personal.
Winograd's ego is so enormous and diseased he will never admit he is wrong, even as his failures kill animals in front of his very eyes.
But lying and deceiving to try to hide what he knows are failures is downright evil.
Of course, wherever there is ego coupled with greed then this is the kind of result- suffering.
Anon, he proved what you said in Philly easily. Oh, how he bragged on Tara Darby and Doug Rae but when he learned about the possible cruelty charges, he turned like the snake he is and condemned Darby, he still kisses Rae's ass. Or rather the other way around, he allows Rae to kiss his ass. Anyone heard from Rae since he was fired?
After I wrote that comment, I did a search and lo and behold, some idiots in Rhode Island have hired him!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
http://www.arlsri.org/?page_id=937
Look at this shit from Doug Rae, he's no different from the Whino with his ego.
http://dougrae.blogspot.com/2010/07/home-sweet-home.html
The Animal Rescue League of Southern Rhode Island has hired someone who was letting dogs die and people get attacked!
How do the animals stand a chance if they hire someone who was personally involved in animal abuse?
He allowed animals to suffer and die under his nose in Philadelphia. He gave dogs to hoarders, and gave out aggressive dogs to the public.
The Director of this dump is Ilanna Ball, Board President
Animal Rescue League of Southern Rhode Island
401-792-2233
Has Ilanna Ball been tricked, or is she willing to let the animals suffer?
Check out her quote. Is she aware she is lying?
Ilanna Ball, Board President, stated, “Doug brings a wealth of knowledge to the organization. He is well versed in animal sheltering and I am confident that he will bring new and innovative ideas to our organization that will help us grow.”
I just had to forward this example of one dog among many being dumped by Nathan Winograd's sleazy AKC breeder friends, the ones who claim their dogs don't show up in shelters and rescues. LIARS like Winograd.
http://blog.
helpingpups.
com/2008/02/
meet-tucker
.html
Attacking pit bull gets stolen from ac by owners
http://www.
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Anons, yes, this director has been dupped. Note on Rae's blog that a "board member" from Indy recommended him and of course, his butt buddy, Winograd, recommended him. But when you look at this shelter, it is closed door and they handle just a few animals. So he can't do that much damage like he did in an open door shelter.
I have seen over my lifetime way too many purebreds in shelters. I have seen far too many purebreds being surrendered to rescue groups along with their papers. Some rescues will not give out papers but some will sell those papers for much more money.
I did a test with the Responsible Owners front groups for breeders once. I contacted the head of one of the Responsible Owners group with a made up purebred in the shelter. After being told by this group that their dogs never end up in shelters, they finally admitted that it might happen. I said I would be able to get the dog along with it's papers from the shelter unaltered. Within ten minutes of telling her this, I had nine emails from breeders in my area wanting the dog. These were not rescue breed groups either, no connections with rescue. They wanted an unaltered dog with papers to breed it.
This group asked if the dog had been tested for this and that, I responded yes every time. At the end I just said "gotcha" and everything they had posted and said about themselves proved to be untrue.
As you know, the Whino loves the Hayden Act. Well, along with the Hayden, the Vincent Act was passed. The Vincent Act dictated that all animals adopted from the shelters and rescues had to be altered prior to adoption and at 8 weeks of age. The biggest reason for this Act was that breeders were using the shelters to get new breeding stock. Most purebreds look alike, how would the AKC know if there were a substitution. So they would breed their bitch to death and substitute a shelter dog for the dead or worn out breeding bitch. The Whino knows how deceiving breeders are, he was in California when all this came about. He doesn't care, he knows the humane community has no money for him and the breeding community is loaded. He goes for the money, ever see him at a truly horrid shelter? No, he doesn't care about the real problem shelters, he only wants to hire himself out to the ones that have the money to put in his pocket.
Anons, yes, this director has been dupped. Note on Rae's blog that a "board member" from Indy recommended him and of course, his butt buddy, Winograd, recommended him. But when you look at this shelter, it is closed door and they handle just a few animals. So he can't do that much damage like he did in an open door shelter.
I have seen over my lifetime way too many purebreds in shelters. I have seen far too many purebreds being surrendered to rescue groups along with their papers. Some rescues will not give out papers but some will sell those papers for much more money.
I did a test with the Responsible Owners front groups for breeders once. I contacted the head of one of the Responsible Owners group with a made up purebred in the shelter. After being told by this group that their dogs never end up in shelters, they finally admitted that it might happen. I said I would be able to get the dog along with it's papers from the shelter unaltered. Within ten minutes of telling her this, I had nine emails from breeders in my area wanting the dog. These were not rescue breed groups either, no connections with rescue. They wanted an unaltered dog with papers to breed it.
This group asked if the dog had been tested for this and that, I responded yes every time. At the end I just said "gotcha" and everything they had posted and said about themselves proved to be untrue.
As you know, the Whino loves the Hayden Act. Well, along with the Hayden, the Vincent Act was passed. The Vincent Act dictated that all animals adopted from the shelters and rescues had to be altered prior to adoption and at 8 weeks of age. The biggest reason for this Act was that breeders were using the shelters to get new breeding stock. Most purebreds look alike, how would the AKC know if there were a substitution. So they would breed their bitch to death and substitute a shelter dog for the dead or worn out breeding bitch. The Whino knows how deceiving breeders are, he was in California when all this came about. He doesn't care, he knows the humane community has no money for him and the breeding community is loaded. He goes for the money, ever see him at a truly horrid shelter? No, he doesn't care about the real problem shelters, he only wants to hire himself out to the ones that have the money to put in his pocket.
Anons, yes, this director has been dupped. Note on Rae's blog that a "board member" from Indy recommended him and of course, his butt buddy, Winograd, recommended him. But when you look at this shelter, it is closed door and they handle just a few animals. So he can't do that much damage like he did in an open door shelter.
I have seen over my lifetime way too many purebreds in shelters. I have seen far too many purebreds being surrendered to rescue groups along with their papers. Some rescues will not give out papers but some will sell those papers for much more money.
I did a test with the Responsible Owners front groups for breeders once. I contacted the head of one of the Responsible Owners group with a made up purebred in the shelter. After being told by this group that their dogs never end up in shelters, they finally admitted that it might happen. I said I would be able to get the dog along with it's papers from the shelter unaltered. Within ten minutes of telling her this, I had nine emails from breeders in my area wanting the dog. These were not rescue breed groups either, no connections with rescue. They wanted an unaltered dog with papers to breed it.
This group asked if the dog had been tested for this and that, I responded yes every time. At the end I just said "gotcha" and everything they had posted and said about themselves proved to be untrue.
As you know, the Whino loves the Hayden Act. Well, along with the Hayden, the Vincent Act was passed. The Vincent Act dictated that all animals adopted from the shelters and rescues had to be altered prior to adoption and at 8 weeks of age. The biggest reason for this Act was that breeders were using the shelters to get new breeding stock. Most purebreds look alike, how would the AKC know if there were a substitution. So they would breed their bitch to death and substitute a shelter dog for the dead or worn out breeding bitch. The Whino knows how deceiving breeders are, he was in California when all this came about. He doesn't care, he knows the humane community has no money for him and the breeding community is loaded. He goes for the money, ever see him at a truly horrid shelter? No, he doesn't care about the real problem shelters, he only wants to hire himself out to the ones that have the money to put in his pocket.
Winograd refers to an ACO hurting a dog with a baton. Let me tell you the real story. Vikki Shore reports on her website that an "employee" from the shelter called her about this. Well, this "employee" was not so, it was an inmate, convicted for drug abuse and doing weekend duty at the shelter, was the one who called. Now I ask you, why would a drug abuser just happen to have Vikki's phone number on them when this incident supposedly occured? Hmmm, do most convicted drug abusers run around reporting animal abuse with a number all ready to go to call and report? And Vikki was "jonny on the spot" when it supposedly happened. According to the ACO, the dog did get hit by the kennel door but not to the extent of the later injuries. Seems the cohort of Vikki's may have had a lot to do with this poor dog's injuries just so they could be in Vikki's good "graces$$$$"
Three investigations, including one private, concluded that this was pretty much a set up. But it did have a good ending, because the Board of Supervisors decided they would not allow this to happen again. They maxed out a security system, including cameras, so that no one could ever hurt another animal and blame animal control for it.
This is what the Whino does, solicits his puppets to do things, even hurt animals, so he can make his point that animal control is terrible. Of course, the ACO wasn't fired, he wasn't guilty. This particular ACO worked hard to become an ACO when no one even thought he could do it. He loved animals, didn't care that much for people, but loved animals. He did later resign but not because of this incident.
Winograd has done this too many times, he keeps his hands clean and leaves the dirty work to his puppets.
Thanks again Pat for the clarification. Yes, indeed, one would have to think something wrong when a convict "just happens" to have the number for one of his Whinonettes on them and something "just happens" to a dog there. Coincidence? I think not.
"Note on Rae's blog that a "board member" from Indy recommended him"
Is this Warren Patitz, who appeared at Winograd's conference, got Rae hired, and who was later fired from the animal control commission after the bad problems in Indianapolis with Doug Rae and Winograd No Kill flared up?
Anon, the post had another name Bob, I think. But it would make sense that it was Patitz since he had his nose stuck up there.
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